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This is really a great blog. <a href="http://www.cluonline.com/master_of_divinity_degree_online_mdiv.htm" rel="nofollow">Read more</a>Angela Sexenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10218340106169520051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-45904665174532003132013-02-01T12:48:23.008-08:002013-02-01T12:48:23.008-08:00I'll say one more thing, for the record. As a ...I'll say one more thing, for the record. As a pastor, there is always a delicate balance of Law and Gospel in ministering to folks. It would be relatively easy to use the Law as a bludgeon and drive some into shame, shame the tattooed person may never want to deal with. So I think whatever the Church says, while I think co-opting the act is a very bad idea, it should be clear not to shame those who have already made that permanent change. RDrelieveddebtorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143565885495383523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-42924123195488064052013-01-31T17:26:45.602-08:002013-01-31T17:26:45.602-08:00It says in the Bible not to cut our bodies like th...It says in the Bible not to cut our bodies like the pagans do. ( Leviticus 19:28). How clever of satan to "trick" us into thinking a religious tattoo, or one reminding us of our loved ones, is an exception to God"s command.Yvonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084828302194930123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-36592352770129259422013-01-31T07:27:12.176-08:002013-01-31T07:27:12.176-08:00Thanks again to all who have kept the conversation...Thanks again to all who have kept the conversation going. Eileen, I don't know that I said tattoos were a moral issue, per se, but that they represented a moral shift in the culture. How I wish my church were only half empty! I suspect mine, and many more, are more like 3/4 empty because of the general rebellion against godly authority. And our church is full of "nice people!" Teaching about tattoos would instruct those who have yet to get tattoos to think twice and to embrace the kind of conformity that, frankly, Christ desires. It would also open a door for those who have tattoos, but have regrets. The abortion analogy, though not in any way as serious, is applicable again. Teach it so that when that girl or boy experience an unexpected pregnancy, they have a foundation from which to make decisions. And teach it so that those who have had abortions might come to know God's forgiveness. relieveddebtorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143565885495383523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-77464970213332829922013-01-31T05:48:49.117-08:002013-01-31T05:48:49.117-08:00Oh for God's sake - MUST we ask the church'...Oh for God's sake - MUST we ask the church's permission for everything? I don't have any tattoos, don't want any, don't associate with people who have them, and consider such people mindless sheep and very low class, if not outright Rednecks - but it's not a moral issue, for crying out loud !!! If people want to look like morons, there's nothing in the bible about that. And by the way, tattoos are on the way out - which is why you see laser tattoo removal shops popping up all over. If the church is going to start pontificating against people who look like lower class dregs of society, the churches will be more than half empty. I see some rough-looking, unkempt people at mass every Sunday - northerners, all, but at least it keeps the churches full. Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06460375040997673344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-42756806451898518452013-01-31T05:18:28.899-08:002013-01-31T05:18:28.899-08:00My Brother said,"that each tattoo is where hi...My Brother said,"that each tattoo is where his dad beat him" My Brother's tattoo's are all over his body. My brother is a good man. His wounds can be seen. tattoo's were a way of expressing his sadness/rage/hurts/etc..you name it. Tattoo's just aren't a fad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-59086068027658940912013-01-31T05:17:49.595-08:002013-01-31T05:17:49.595-08:00My Brother said,"that each tattoo is where hi...My Brother said,"that each tattoo is where his dad beat him" My Brother's tattoo's are all over his body. My brother is a good man. His wounds can be seen. tattoo's were a way of expressing his sadness/rage/hurts/etc..you name it. Tattoo's just aren't a fad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-48684235073991640782013-01-30T16:45:02.806-08:002013-01-30T16:45:02.806-08:00Ephesians1:13 And you also were included in Chri... Ephesians1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit. Satan always tries to mimic God. This is satans way of marking us. This is just my opinion but it is all part of the fall of society with abortion and the homosexuality movement. I'm not saying people with tatoos are by any means bad people just that satan is sly and sneaky. I would just pray about it and ask for forgiveness IF it is against God.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093656417320225581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-67850194436178921962013-01-30T12:58:23.541-08:002013-01-30T12:58:23.541-08:00" I was young and dumb and got a tattoo on my..." I was young and dumb and got a tattoo on my back, nothing evil, just nothing of meaning. "<br /><br />Jason, thanks for commenting.<br /><br />My opinion is that most people who get tattoos do so as it is neat or trendy, and is an instrument to state "hey, look at me!". I see this with the way people were clothes to expose the tattoo on their back, neck, upper chest etc.<br /><br />Clearly from the comments here and from the original post, tattoos can and do have meaning for the individual.Paxtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219966759985404234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-88511786890004937532013-01-30T12:04:04.810-08:002013-01-30T12:04:04.810-08:00No body's burning in hell till the Big Guy say...No body's burning in hell till the Big Guy says so. He judges your heart, He has promised unfathomable mercy, trust in Him. The Church is not perfect, and never has been nor ever will be...she is made up of human beings who can not be perfect. But God has willed to work through imperfect human beings. So bottom line, read up on what the Church really teaches, what is truly non-negotiable and what is a matter of discretion. And for heaven's sake pray before doing anything of a permanent nature! I believe it's quite possible that for some people, their intentions in their heart for getting a tattoo may be acceptable to God and for others whose intentions are different, God will not be so pleased. But a tattoo alone is not what will send someone to Hell...that much I know!Mamadukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13809908343740510217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-58522839341308377892013-01-30T11:34:00.091-08:002013-01-30T11:34:00.091-08:00Thanks to Augustina and Susan both. Well said.Thanks to Augustina and Susan both. Well said.relieveddebtorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143565885495383523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-37704659472321693282013-01-30T11:19:13.875-08:002013-01-30T11:19:13.875-08:00All three of my children have small tattoos....unk...All three of my children have small tattoos....unknown to me they were getting the. They are all married now and they All regret marking their bodies, (thank goodness they are in places where they do not display. Each of my married children have spoke to their children and have discussed the mistake they made in ruining the body that God gave them. This is what happens when so many choose to follow the crowd..it's the "in thing" to do. Wrong! <br /> Personally, when I see tattoos especially on women, I get sick to my stomach..because they are showing the youth of today that it is OK to mark up the body that God made for you. Augustinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388790246888625201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-68944213527055334392013-01-30T11:10:35.275-08:002013-01-30T11:10:35.275-08:00You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh, for...You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh, for the dead, neither shall you make in yourselves any figures or marks: I am The Lord. (Lev 19:28)Augustinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388790246888625201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-42575236322757844122013-01-30T09:56:53.883-08:002013-01-30T09:56:53.883-08:00Interesting... I am a very devout Catholic and I h...Interesting... I am a very devout Catholic and I have two tattoos. One on each shoulder... they are rarely seen by anyone but family because when out in public I wear some sort of sleeves... I never wear strapless anything nor do I wear tank tops except at home. One I got after I was diagnosed as cancer free after a big scare. It is in Latin and it says "Gloria Patri et Filii et Spiritui Sancto" surrounding a modest sized triquetra (symbol of the Holy Trinity) entwined with lilies...symbol of my name and of purity. The other is three nails and a small drop of blood representing Our Lord's crucifixation and my acceptance of the crosses in my life... My point... these are deeply meaningful to me and I do not think the Lord knowing what is in my heart would find them "evil" or offensive.Common sense folks.... like many things in life... good or evil is found in one's intentions...Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14418205993767004821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-82282000626560196632013-01-30T08:08:20.253-08:002013-01-30T08:08:20.253-08:00Excellent!! Well put! I had to write that part dow...Excellent!! Well put! I had to write that part down about individuality; exactly what I've been thinking! In everyone's quest to be unique, they all end up the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-13885373144632404752013-01-29T15:32:33.354-08:002013-01-29T15:32:33.354-08:00Jason, there is a lot of irony there. I think ther...Jason, there is a lot of irony there. I think there are a lot of people who are getting tats because it's the thing to do. There is risk in this conversation and a lot of parallels with abortion. If the church is silent, true, we will not make anyone feel bad about having had one. But we also do not make available forgiveness for it, nor do we discourage young girls from getting abortions in the future. My question is, the Church needs to start talking about tats to give people courage to resist them if and when there is pressure. Now, if someone really wants a religious tattoo, I still think it is debatable on the merits, while I would pretty strongly argue against one if my opinion was asked. Have you seen the show Tattoo Nightmares? Covering/repurposing tattoos, like removal, will probably be a booming business in future years. I think your idea about getting yours covered is good, for what it's worth. <br /><br />Annie, you're a military wife? Well, then you're double exempted! Tattoos, I'm guessing, originated in tight brotherhoods to show solidarity, so that was one of the groups I was careful not to cast any judgment on. And whether you are in active service or the spouse of someone, the issues are the same. Just ask my wife, a pastor's wife. Thanks again to both. RDrelieveddebtorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143565885495383523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-55315038964917365162013-01-29T14:17:55.014-08:002013-01-29T14:17:55.014-08:00For the most part I want to commend everyone for t...For the most part I want to commend everyone for the discussion that occurred after I left my comment this morning! I am used to seeing flaming and other rude tactics and this has been a pleasant surprise coming back and seeing this intelligent polite conversation. It has also given me a lot to think about in regards to getting a tattoo I currently have covered. I was young and dumb and got a tattoo on my back, nothing evil, just nothing of meaning. I have been considering getting it covered with a portrait of our most Holy Mother Mary. This discussion has been a good one for me to read going into that decision. <br />Hopefully the fact that "tatted" individuals like Anne and myself having conversations such as this shows that in fact you can't lump groups of people together over things like tattoos, clothes or other discriminatory things. Hows that for irony, rough tough tattooed folk having conversations about the Catechism and Biblical verses regarding piety...O the irony!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09257617240094291381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-69379344467002271972013-01-29T12:18:48.746-08:002013-01-29T12:18:48.746-08:00Thank you for embracing those college students... ...Thank you for embracing those college students... Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11951452502952107927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-9080154015970960342013-01-29T12:16:50.481-08:002013-01-29T12:16:50.481-08:00I am sorry, you deserve credit... You have been mu...I am sorry, you deserve credit... You have been much more pragmatic than many others. I am on a soap box. Btw, I was in my 30's with a full a vibrant religious, and spiritual life before I started the tattooing.... You have many valid points, while you don't lump people, you don't you are right, many people do. Those that read this, who aren't willing to embrace repentant tattooed folks, or who as a knee jerk reaction judge the piety of every tattooed person they see (which happens a lot, and doesn't bother me, or hurt my own faith or perceptions of religion, probably because they were so solid before hand, and I knew I'd be judged and I feel no guilt... Plus unless it is very warm my modest dress covers them) are really creating division instead of unity, are judging instead of loving, and they will misconstrue blogs like this to validate their own sin. Love the person.... Period. I do get passionate because, as a military wife, I know lots of people who desperately seek Christ, but steer clear because they fear they can never be embraced by pious people... They come to me, because they see me as an oasis, I assume. I think tattoos (specifically the type you most question) are a symptom and you seem to agree... So shouldn't we, instead of focusing on the symptom, focus on the disease? The Catholic Churches doing an effective job of this. They are condemning the values of the world AND sharing the true faith and true freedom of virtue through the word on fire ministry, The Choices we face talk show, The Catholicism series. To Conde,n the symptom is to condemn those who are suffering in their blindness, and this in turn alienates them. Instead of healing they are further wounded.Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11951452502952107927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15171359.post-48448887035759133852013-01-29T11:46:04.137-08:002013-01-29T11:46:04.137-08:00Again, I never lumped everyone into a category. Th...Again, I never lumped everyone into a category. That's a judgment of me. I'm outlining different positions. I have waffled on religious tattoos throughout, much more so than some of the other commenters. So I think I deserve some credit for that. Your comments about a repentant tattooer (one who has a tattoo) are precisely the reason I wrote the post. The Church should offer some teaching on this before everyone has a tattoo and regrets what is now permanent. Precisely because they are so visible! There are plenty of repentant sinners (pagans) who regret their tattoos. Maybe, just maybe, if the church had taught against them, they would have given it a second thought.<br /><br />I agree, it is hard to evangelize if our piety is public. I suppose Jesus is speaking to the kind of piety to which we draw attention and for which we want credit. I'm not saying people with religious tattoos are committing this sin, the Matthew 6 sin. But I bet some are! Again, it's a pastoral discretion issue. You are in the minority of what I'm talking about. As a pastor, I am concerned about a lost, narcissistic generation that is increasingly making itself unavailable to the Gospel. I do think tattoos as a phenonemon represent that, but that may entirely exclude you!<br /><br />In fact, if you were in my congregation, you would be welcome with open arms, tats and all. In fact, I personally invited about 300 tattooed college students to a class yesterday alone. I'll do the same tomorrow and next week. So I do not use tattoos as a judgment. Let's stick to what we agree about, that Hello Kitty tattoos should be prohibited!<br /><br />Thanks again,<br />RDrelieveddebtorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17143565885495383523noreply@blogger.com